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Comment by ABH-2 on June 12, 2010 at 8:47pm
I still remember, and I won’t stop screaming until I get the attention of all those who will listen.

I have to go now, it’s time for the satellite to go over my house again.
Comment by ABH-2 on June 12, 2010 at 9:29am
The Republic of Kenya was declared on December 12, 1964.
However you have a good point, it may just be a technical issue.
The other side of the argument is that upon further research last night this document has been thoroughly discredited by the leftist. No real proof, but when do they need proof, only you and I are required to provide proof.
If this stuff makes it through the courts, it may be very interesting.

I think the answer to the eligibility issue is going to finally fall on the final definition of “Natural Born Citizen”. If they keep trying to define it with modern interpretation it will remain muddy. It is an arcane phrase and should be interpreted using language of the day with like documents to determine context and meaning.
Comment by fedupinnyc on June 12, 2010 at 6:00am
Photo #4 may actually be genuine. Read the lower right. "Given under my Hand and Seal of Office this 17th day of February, 1964.
Comment by montana wildman on June 11, 2010 at 11:38pm
the place of birth is moot as he is still a dual citizen by birth. this is a constitutional issue where as he is not eligible to be president.
Comment by ABH-2 on June 11, 2010 at 10:52pm
Here’s a play by play.

Photo #1, is a Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout) from the state of Hawaii.

Photo #2, is a Certificate of Live Birth (either black or green) from the state of Hawaii. This is the official document filed by the department of health, also known as the long form. It’s the most complete record, usually generated by the hospital (remember filling these out when your children were born).
In this case it has been filed for by the grandmother (see box 23 on the form) under Hawaii law HRS 338-17.8, Certificates for children born out of State.
Box 6a [Place of Birth, City, Town or Rural Location] reads “Honolulu”, note the “1” next to the word Honolulu.
Go back to box 23 [Evidence for Delayed Filing or Alteration] it reads “1. Birthplace: Kenya; Registered Honolulu. HRS 338-17.8 per Grandmother”.
Box 6c [Name of Hospital or Institution (if not hospital or institution, give street address)] reads “Unknown – Kenya, Africa”
Box 18a [Signature of Parent or Other Informant] shows Obama’s Grandmothers signature.

Note the difference in the names of the first two documents.
One is a Certification of Live Birth.
The other is a Certificate of Live Birth.

Photo #3, is the document generated by the hospital and given to the Kenyan government for file. It reads:
Coast Province General Hospital
Mombasa, British Protectorate of Kenya
The seal reads, Coast Province General Hospital around the top. Mombasa, Seal, Kenya, in the center.
This “Certificate of Birth” has the highest probability of being authentic.

Photo #4 is a fake, most probably the fake that the Obama supporters have been talking about. It says it’s from Coast Province, Republic of Kenya.
The reason it is most likely a fake is it reads “Republic of Kenya”.
As I said earlier Kenya didn’t get their independence until 1963 and became a Republic in 1964. Obama was born in 1961, this is problematic, whoever forged this didn’t know their history.

The document in photo #1 does not meet the state of Hawaii Department of Home Lands requirements for any official application as conclusive evidence for its homestead program.

From the DHHL web site:
“In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL.”

If the State of Hawaii doesn’t accept it, why was it good enough to certify Obama for election as President.

Regarding Lawrence Brown’s issue “read a piece about someone who claims that they worked in register office there and Obama was not born there”. Documents #2 and #3 completely support this individual’s claim that “Obama wasn’t born there”, they show he was born in Mombasa, Kenya, not in Honolulu.
Comment by Terry on June 11, 2010 at 10:47pm
Obviously, Congress and the Holder Justice Department do not have a problem with a Kenyan President.. . ..I look for Awnowd to throw his name in the hat for 2012!. . .. He could you know, based on the Kenyan Candidate's precedent.
Comment by ABH-2 on June 11, 2010 at 5:31pm
The second and third documents tell the whole story. Read them carefully.
The second one is filed under HRS 338-17.8 "Certificates for children born out of State", read the input data carefully.
The third is a birth certificate from the British Protectorate of Kenya, not the Republic of Kenya.
Comment by Lawrence Brown on June 11, 2010 at 5:11pm
ABH: The other day read a piece about someone who claims that they worked in register office there and Obama was not born there. If this is true your documents are fake as Obama. I will try to find this person again. He claims that when this issue was first looked into they faked the records. Does Obama act like a fake?
Comment by ABH-2 on June 11, 2010 at 2:49pm
Something I didn't pick up on earlier:
The bottom one says Republic of Kenya, the Republic was declaired on December 12, 1964, Obama was born in August of 1961.
It is most likely a fake. My screw up, sorry.

The top 3 I'm resonably sure of.
Comment by David Silvas on June 11, 2010 at 7:15am
It kind of makes moot the point of trying to define a “Natural Born” citizen. Parentage and linage and all that fun stuff. How about a Marriage license for his parents or can I still call him a Bastard?

Just Asking.

God Bless.


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